When people (like me) complain on debian-legal that the "editorial GR" in Debian was misleading we're told it was all clear and anyway, we have a concensus. I have been thinking long and hard about this and it seems to me we're heading to either a split, a movement to another distribution (ubuntu I guess) or another GR. Some other old timer also did some hard thinking and decided to leave after sarge. I think I will wait and see... Anyway, I'm not a big player in neither world anymore.